A former pilot testified on the second day of Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial that Bill Clinton and Donald Trump traveled on a private Jeffrey Epstein plane, but details were very slim so far.

Larry Visoski, Epstein’s former pilot said that he would be given notice if Clinton or high-profile passengers would be flying. Clinton’s spokesman previously admitted to Clinton being aboard Epstein’s plane four times but said the former president knew nothing about Epstein’s “terrible crimes.”

“In 2002 and 2003, President Clinton took a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein’s airplane: one to Europe, one to Asia, and two to Africa, which included stops in connection with the work of the Clinton Foundation,” Angel Urena, Clinton spokesman said in 2019.

Prosecutors said in a statement that Maxwell and Epstein created a “pyramid scheme of abuse” to lure underage girls to Epstein.

Viskoski testified that Maxwell frequently traveled on Epstein’s private jet between 1994 and 2004 and would often facilitate travel plans with Visoski for Epstein. Maxwell was Epstein’s “number two.” He described his memory of their relationship as more personal than business-like, but more “couple-ish” than actually romantic, but he didn’t remember seeing them kiss or hold hands.

After Visoski, Minor Victim-1, identified in court with the pseudonym “Jane,” testified that she met Maxwell and Epstein as a 14-year-old, and described in graphic detail incidents of abuse by Epstein that Maxwell would at times join in on, both in Palm Beach, Florida, and Manhattan, when she was 14, 15 and 16 years old.

Visoski said he remembered she appeared at the time to be a “mature woman” with “piercing powder blue eyes,” but that he couldn’t be sure she actually flew on the flight or who else was there. “I can’t visualize her sitting in the passenger compartment like I would say, President Clinton, it was so long ago,” Visoski said, adding that he didn’t know the ages of passengers he flew but he never thought there to be underage girls aboard as far as he could tell.

He’d give the passenger manifests and flight logs for every flight he flew to an assistant but not typically Maxwell.
“Ms. Maxwell had nothing to do with the passenger manifests,” he said.

This is an ongoing trial and details will be updated in future posts.